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j_young_80
07-05-2010, 11:31 AM
Q: Would making my bike heavier for training help my average speed and power? I'm thinking about buying cheap, heavy tires and loading my hydration pack with weights for training rides. -- Tim T.

Coach Fred Matheny Replies: Adding weight for training purposes is an old idea. I recall when the U.S. Road Team used lead-filled water bottles for hill workouts. Around the same time, 25 years ago, there was a heavy product designed to attach under a bike's bottom bracket.

However, there's no good reason to add weight.

You need to generate a certain number of watts to get up a hill no matter what the bike weighs. Take some weight off and you still produce the same number of watts. You just go a little faster.

Improvement comes from training at your optimum intensity, not from weighting down your bike.

Ed and I both ride heavy bikes in winter. They have fenders, racks and large bags for toting tools, extra tubes, rainwear and warm clothes. Add a couple of full bottles and Ed's bike, for example, weighs 34 pounds (15.5 kg).

Switching to light bikes in the spring sure makes us feel faster. And we actually are, because for a given amount of power, we can ride uphill and accelerate faster when we're not pushing as much weight.

The bottom line, though, is that we're still riding at the same intensity when we go hard, regardless of the bike we're on.

As for leg strength, it's tempting to think that riding a heavy bike would develop muscles like weight training. But in order to keep the same climbing cadence and power output with a heavier bike, you need to decrease the gearing.

Conversely, with a light bike you can, in effect, "push more weight" by using a higher gear. So bike weight isn't important except in terms of how fast you go up a hill for a given power output.

One way riding your light bike is helpful -- you'll get accustomed to the way it handles, which is likely to be significantly different from the ponderous road manners of a heavier steed.

Perhaps some of our physicist readers will have a different take on this, but to my knowledge there's no benefit to adding weight.

JCarmichael
07-05-2010, 11:51 AM
If you do weigh your bike down for training it should only be done to the extent to slow you by no more than 10%. Therefore if your bike weighs 10kg you should only add 1kg to this. This is because if you add (or reduce) to much weight you can affect what muscles are activated and how long the are activated for. Therefore you will be training them incorrectly for how you will race.

tor.lattimore
07-05-2010, 12:00 PM
The only training justification for this is if you're doing lots of group rides where you don't control the speed. That way you can (slightly) control the intensity with a heavier bike. I imagine the main reason people end up on heavier bikes for training is they don't want to wear out their fancy ones ...

Driver
07-05-2010, 02:07 PM
Training wheels on your regular steed would be my preferred option. Mainly because racing wheels aren't built to use day in day out (and actually last). Using a heavier training tyre is practical so I use them for that reason.

The overall additional weight sure gives the perception of being faster on racing wheels, but to say they'd be of additional training benefit.... doubt it.

In the off season I just pig out and put on a few kilos, that's enough of a training aid...

mmmm nutella crepes.......

Kano
07-05-2010, 02:14 PM
In the off season I just pig out and put on a few kilos, that's enough of a training aid...

mmmm nutella crepes.......

why wait for the off season?

and i believe its chicken wings

Driver
07-05-2010, 02:34 PM
not fussy.

you are right though, I'm gunna go find me some cake.

bosworth*
07-05-2010, 04:39 PM
You need to generate a certain number of watts to get up a hill no matter what the bike weighs.

this isn't exactly right. you can get up a hill doing 100 watts, or 200 watts, or 500 watts. More watts means a faster time.

Adding weight adds more required Joules to each hill. So a hill that will require 10,000 Joules (50 seconds at 200 watts), might be increased to 11,000 joules with the extra weight. (55 seconds at 200 watts)